“Royal Language” and Oneness

Oct 31st, 2017

Bobby Killmon



by Bobby Killmon

Why do oneness people think Gen. 1:26 is about “royal language” or “God speaking to
angels”? This is inaccurate and faulty thinking because angels were not involved in
creating humankind. Further, we don’t read anywhere where a king uses plural
language at all. Isn’t this just weak theological analysis?

The problem with dismissing our view is that Jews traditionally have interpreted Gen. 1:26 to mean God spoke to angels and saw no conflict between the Hebrew grammar and the Genesis account in terms of strict monotheism. Further, on at least one other occasion, God talked to angels and included their opinions in formulating His plans (I Kings 22:19-22). We further know the angels were present during creation (Job 38:4-7) and that Revelation shows them in acts of “un-creation” pouring out God’s judgment as His agents. Some would even suggest that we are created “like the angels” in that we have free will just like them.

Open BibleWhile I personally don’t claim that “royal language” is going on in Gen. 1:26, your claim regarding it not being in Scripture is simply an uninformed statement. It’s in Daniel 2:36, used by King Artaxerxes (Ezra 4:18; 7:13, 24). So these clear examples are in Scripture, even though I don’t personally claim this as going on in Genesis. Either way though, if the language of the text makes it allowable, isn’t it more honest to admit this? Even if you disagree?

Before you dismiss these biblical proofs as just uninformed oneness analysis without any validity, consider the statements of Michael S. Heiser. Heiser has a PhD in Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages and a M.A. in Ancient History (major fields were Ancient Israel and Egyptology), another M.A. from the University of Wisconsin-Madison (Hebrew Studies). He can do translation work in roughly a dozen ancient languages (Biblical Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Egyptian hieroglyphs and Ugaritic cuneiform). He has also studied Akkadian and Sumerian.

The point is, in academic circles, Heiser is “overqualified” to speak to this issue. Look at what he says regarding Gen. 1:26, “…the occurrence of ‘us’ has been understood as a plurality in the godhead: the Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit. This understanding would have been unknown to the authors of the OT… A simpler explanation is that ‘us’ reflects an announcement by the single God of Israel to a group in His presence – the heavenly hosts (Ps. 82; 89:5-8).”

Catch that, so called “persons” having a conversation within the trinity would be unknown so it is simpler to understand it speaking of the heavenly host or angels. So Gen. 1:26 could be referring to God’s entourage (angelic host), the Kingdom (royal we), or what you haven’t even mentioned at all, which is a strong view in some oneness circles as “prophetic foreknowledge of the Son” (I Pet. 1:19-20, Rev. 13:8, Rom. 5:14).

The point is any of these interpretations are allowable from the language of the text, even if you disagree. To dismiss oneness claims about Gen. 1:26 by claiming we are using weak theological analysis is first of all to deny current experts in your own camp, which demonstrates ignorance of cutting edge scholarship. Even worse, however, is denying what’s allowable in the language of Scripture itself, which is disingenuous. Either way, this hurts your arguments and lessens your credibility.

The Yes Ladder

Oct 23rd, 2017

Robert L. Rodenbush



by Robert L. Rodenbush

There is a concept in business called the “Yes Ladder” that is commonly used to lure people in to increasingly greater commitments both financially and physically in the cyber dating and pornography industry.

These “brilliant” sales people study each click on the Web, knowing that if they can get a customer to concede to view, or say “yes” to a small area of this perversion it will ultimately lead to more “yes” responses down the road. People who regularly view pornography can be expected to move up the “Yes Ladder” until they are seeking out not only the fantasy of it, but real life experiences. If someone is willing to commit to an online “relationship” the chances are great that they will eventually escalate into the pricier, physical realm.

black ladder

The “Yes Ladder” is a frightening principle. A single, small yes for many people leads to addiction and a corruption of the body that, without God’s intervention, may be a permanent perversion of their sexuality. Statistics are staggering. Sexual dysfunction among healthy young men due to pornography usage is baffling psychologists and the medical profession.

This battle will not go away. Satan needs only a small window to do his work. He only needs someone to acquiesce just a tiny bit until he has them on a “Yes Ladder” that will steal their joy, their victory and their peace. We must be willing to have difficult conversations, to provide sanctuary and help to those ensnared in this web of deceit. We must pray a hedge of protection around our families, our youth and ourselves least we be deceived in this evil day.

“There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death” (Proverbs 14:12).

Is It Too Soon To Tell?

Oct 18th, 2017

Paul Mooney



by Paul Mooney


“It is too soon to tell.” Though no one is quite sure if it is fact or fiction, this historic quip is attributed to the first Premier of the People’s Republic of China, Zhou Enlai, in answer to President Nixon’s question, “What is the impact of the French Revolution?”

In my experiences during intimate personal conversations with politicians over the years, I’ve observed that most are deeply interested in whatever or whoever is influencing politics, votes, culture, religion, education, and so forth. They assess both the good and the bad, usually from the point of view of how it affects their own agendas or beliefs. This interest comes about because they fully understand that nothing just happens. Influences and influencers are everywhere and eventually they will either matter or they won’t matter, and only time will determine their ultimate contribution to the future.

Legend or not, the Premier’s quote challenges one to consider not only the action that is taking place around us, but the implication of an action or series of actions in relationship to the historic record. This is true not only in politics but is applicable to changes that are taking place within Christianity and our Apostolic movement. Time will tell the significance or insignificance of present influences. It might be too soon to tell, but the law of consequences will eventually reveal the outcome of our actions and our inactions.


This challenges us to ask certain questions: “To what degree do we embrace the secular world? How important is the doctrine of separation? What and whose guidance should we seek? Whose values and ideas and what authority will guide our lives and our churches?”

Seeking so-called personal “truths” is extremely different than seeking God’s Truth. In the same sense, the Church’s imperative is the work of conversion and this is much different from mere social work. The decline in church attendance and the growing secularism of our day demand an unwavering clarity of the Apostolic mission which will only come from the Holy Spirit.

As the Apostle Paul reminded us, “… we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:13-14).

“Who is in charge?” It is the old, new question. I pray it is not our flesh. No generation in the history of human civilization has ever faced what now comes our way. One might ask, “If God is in charge, what is His plan concerning these times?” That is a fair question; however, the answer may not be so obvious within the context of our human understanding.

God’s thoughts are not our thoughts. This is the central “faith factor” of the Bible. “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8-9).

I suspect we all hear a good number of subtly argued positions regarding how we Pentecostals must change this or that, especially in the area of holiness, separation from the world, and more surreptitiously, issues concerning the essentiality of the baptism of the Holy Ghost. We patiently listen to arrogant admonitions of how vital it is to be “cool” and follow formulaic, scripted programs to the point that church is reduced to a theatrical production. This is dangerous territory, not only to our unity and our loyalty to the Scripture, but ultimately these distractions have the potential of replacing the Godly anointing that comes from seeking a genuine move of the Holy Spirit.

There is a distinct difference between the direction and guidance that the flesh provides compared to the leading of the Spirit. What is of the flesh pleases the flesh, but what God has for us in the Spirit is not carnal in nature and, therefore, cannot be received by the natural man. “Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be” (Romans 8:7).

False prophets under the guidance of their own spirit or the spirit of the age can disrupt and change the will and purpose of God in lives, in churches, and in organizations – if they fail to crucify the flesh. Influence can be set in motion and the course of history altered by a spoken word, a compromise, or a wrong motive. We must seek discernment, clarity, and divine focus lest we wrongly promote, endorse, or positively identify ourselves with things that are not of God.

Surely our hearts tell us that we are facing a crossroads, that a revolution is underway. And . . . just what is the impact of it all? Is it really too soon to tell? Or are we seeing a loosening from the ties that have bound us together in holiness and held us to the Apostles’ doctrine? The battle lines are being drawn in front of our very eyes. We grieve any falling away, but nevertheless, the true Church must be led of His Spirit and cling to the cross.

Kids’ & Family Guide to Indy

Jul 25th, 2017

by Jaye Mooney Rodenbush

Looking for kid friendly things to do in Indianapolis while here for NAYC?

Welcome to all my UPCI friends coming in town for NAYC. We really hope you’ll enjoy our great city of Indianapolis. While you’re here, we thought you might look for family-friendly places to go, things to do and food to eat. Here are some recommendations taken from some of Micki (13) & Robbie’s (9) favorites. These are mostly limited to DOWNTOWN locations. If you have any questions or need suggestions for other areas of town feel free to ask. Indy friends…add your additional recommendations in the comments.

My Dad, Paul D. Mooney, and sister, Adena Pedigo, both have made restaurant guides. Just ask.
AND…don’t forget IBC Concert on the Circle Wednesday after church.


Indianapolis Zoo

A really great zoo! You won’t be disappointed. Has a full dolphin show with a beautiful aquarium. Rides, carousel, train, and more. Lots of interactive exhibits. It’s a bit expensive, but well worth the admission (However, prepare to have a little extra if you plan to ride rides, feed animals, etc). Plan to eat BEFORE or AFTER the zoo. Zoo food is mediocre at best, and pricey.

Children’s Museum

This amazing place, founded in 1925, is the LARGEST children’s museum in the world. Don’t miss the 30-foot water clock and planetarium. You can’t see everything in one day. Get a map and plan ahead. The museum is a bit pricey, but once you’re in most things are included and the memories will be worth your money.

Indianapolis Motor Speedway

A bit of a drive from downtown, but you can’t leave the Speedway off an Indy tour list. This is probably more fun for older kids. Has a museum and you can take a bus ride around the track.

Downtown Canal Walk & Surrounding Areas

This is a great area for memorable outdoor activities right in downtown Indy. Rent a pedal boat, Segway, bikes, surreys, ride in a beautiful gondola or just walk along the path and enjoy the scenery. I think the season ends this month, so you might make a reservation and/or check times and availability.

Soldiers’ & Sailors’ Monument at the Circle

Of course IBC will host our FREE concert Wednesday night at approx 9:30 pm after the service — But…during the day you can go to the TOP of Monument Circle for an amazing view of the entire Indy downtown. Museum inside is free and the observatory at the TOP is FREE too IF you take the stairs. For $1 you can take the elevator. If you want you can ride up and walk down. FYI – 330 steps!

HYATT Elevators

Okay…this can be a really fun experience and it costs $0! Our family has decided that the downtown Indy Hyatt has the best elevators in the city. They are fast and if you get to the top…the ride down is super fun— if you don’t have to stop on every floor. You might have to try a few times to get a non-stop ride. Don’t go at lunch time or end of business day. The hotel is home to many businesses so if they are crowded it’s not really the same. Revolving restaurant at the top, sometimes you can take a quick tour during day time. Beautiful views, food is average at best and very overpriced.

The Eiteljorg Museum of American Indians and Western Art

This is really a special museum, unforgettable really. It doesn’t take a long time to browse through. Probably best suited for older kids or adults, unless they have a real interest in Native Americans. They have a beautiful boutique-like gift shop. Admission is comparatively low.

Indiana State Museum & The NCAA Hall of Champions

Both of these museums are reasonably priced and unique. They are nearby each other and are in the Canal / White River Park area. NCAA is nice for sports fans.

Hoosier Trail Rides at Fort Harrison State Park

In just about 20 minutes you can escape the city and relax in the beautiful scenery of Fort Harrison State Park. They have a great novice horseback riding trail and the rates are very reasonable. Lots of history at this former Army training camp established in 1902. (If you’re looking trails for more experienced riders, PM me.)

Family Friendly Food Stops

Greek Island

This is an experience… If your kids have never had Greek food, here is the place to introduce it to them. Make sure you get Saganaki, my kids called it “OPA CHEESE.” The flaming cheese dish is a kid favorite. The owner, Big George and his Sister Angela Stergiopoulos will likely be there and they will treat you like family. Tell them the Mooney’s sent you.


Giorgio’s Pizza is right off the circle. You can eat outside or in. Great Italian food. The salad and lasagna lunch special is really good. Don’t miss the house-made creamy Italian dressing.

Quick service, at lunch it’s really fast paced, don’t hold up the line…lol.


Famous Kosher deli near downtown. Huge portions. Plan to split the gigantic entrees, you can’t eat it all anyway…and it can be a bit expensive. We love the Rueben on a Kaiser roll, with extra Swiss, a potato pancake and carrot or cheesecake. There are lots of kids meal choices and they are very reasonably priced. After the kids eat, send them to the cookie counter and they are allowed to pick a FREE cookie for dessert. It’s not advertised, but trust me…they will get a cookie.

Old Spaghetti Factory

As a foodie, this one is tough to put on the list. It’s not bad really, but definitely average, although I do like homemade salad dressings (1000 Island & Blue Cheese). However, as a mom…this is a great place to take kids. Food is inexpensive and if you go at the right time or call ahead you can eat IN a train-car. Kids love it.

Sub Zero Ice Cream & Yogurt

This is a fun place! Watch while you’re ice cream is frozen on-the-spot with liquid nitrogen. Dessert and a science lesson!

LONGS Bakery

So this one isn’t really right downtown, but if you’re in Indy you REALLY owe it to yourself to stop at Longs Bakery for donuts. Several polls rank them in the TOP 10 DONUTS in the USA. There are two locations 16th St. and Southport Rd. so just put it in your GPS and see which one is closer to you. These donuts are simply THE best. Order the glazed yeast donut, chocolate dipped yeast or the chocolate dipped cake (if you prefer a cake donut over yeast). They do have other bakery items: the alligators, pecan rings and cream horns are all great. For large orders call ahead and they will have them ready for you and you can jump the line (there’s almost always a line). PLEASE NOTE…They are very inexpensive, but completely CASH ONLY- no matter what! Plan ahead. It’s no fun to wait in line to get you’re donuts and get them taken away because you forgot to go to the ATM.

Rocket Fizz

This fun stop on Monument Circle is a soda and candy paradise. Super fun.

Chocolate Café

A memorable Monument Circle café for ice cream, desserts and our favorite, the hot chocolate.


The place to go for the perfect Instagram photo & baked goods. So pretty.



Consider Indianapolis UBER drivers. Easy to use, very reasonable rates.


Self-serve pick up and drop off right down town and around the city.

What is Redaction Criticism?

Jul 20th, 2017

Bobby Killmon

by Bobby Killmon


What is “redaction criticism” and why should we know about it as Apostolics?

Redaction criticism is a liberal method that attempts to “investigate” Scriptures to make judgments about their authorship, historical trustworthiness, and date of writing. This method is mostly used to destroy the credibility of Scripture. The reason we need to be aware of it is because of the growing influence of liberal critical scholarship in the books we read (even in typically more conservative evangelical scholarship), the teaching of all major universities and institutions, and the growing prevalence of these views dominating digital media and publications. I own books from many of these sources, but knowing the difference between “eating the meat” and “spitting out the bones” is critical to healthy theological digestion. 


Redaction criticism questions the genuineness of Scripture by asking: When was it actually written? Who really wrote the text? The point to catch is redaction critics do not believe in the inspiration or inerrancy of Scripture, as Apostolics define these, and typically avoid using the terms.

For instance, liberal critics believe the OT was compiled from oral traditions or sources, and not even written down in the form we have them, until after Israel was carried into captivity in Babylon (586 B.C.). However, Scripture says itself Moses is the author of “the Law” or the Pentateuch and quotes him as such (Exo. 17:14, 24:4, 34:27; Num. 33:1-2; Deut. 31:9-11; Jos. 1:7-8, 8:31-32, 23:6; 1 Kings 2:3; 2 Kings 14:6, 21:8; 1 Chron. 22:13; Ezra 6:18; Neh. 13:1; Dan. 9:11-13; Mal. 4:4; Mk. 12:26; Matt. 8:4, 19:8; Jn. 5:45-47, 7:19; Lk. 16:29, 24:27, 24:44; Jn. 5:46, 7:22; Acts 3:22, 15:1, 28:23; Rom. 10:5, 10:19; 1 Cor. 9:9; 2 Cor. 3:15). If Moses did not really do this, liberal critics could point out that these claims are errors in Scripture and justly dismiss Scripture’s authority. 

So, redaction criticism is an attempt to deny the possibility of a preserved, accurate written record of God’s Word. Paul shows us how the Word was recorded (2 Tim. 3:16). God moved the writers of Scripture to record the very words He wanted written. Peter affirms the same in 2 Pet. 1:21. It was God who was behind the authorship and preservation of the Scriptures.

Though biblical writers arranged or commented on events, this is not the writer “breaking” or “reframing” the text. It is God inspiring the writer to say exactly what He intended. One can believe Joshua could have written the ending of Deuteronomy recording Moses’ death. That does not destroy Mosaic authorship. Arranging the collection of the Psalms by putting them into categories doesn’t affect their inspiration, integrity or inerrancy at all. Quoting outside historical references for factual data in no way reduces inspiration of Chronicles, or any part of the Bible. The inspired writer simply quotes other sources, though while not inspired were accurate. The point is if the original writings were inspired, no one would need to alter the text.

Harold Lindsell said this about using these methods, “This may be done, and often is, under the illusion that by this method the opponents of biblical inerrancy can be won over … But practical experience suggests that rarely does this happen and the cost of such an approach is too expensive, for it gives credence and lends respectability to a method which is the deadly enemy of theological orthodoxy.” In short, we must “spit out the bones” of these approaches lest redaction criticism destroy inerrancy and inspiration. 

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